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4 Hours Pay for a phonecall
« on: February 04, 2010, 05:39:11 PM »
Isn't it great how the great British press can report facts in such an unbalanced way to provoke more bad feeling against the police.  I would love to meet the Inspector who has authorised any such claim.  The article made it sound easy, just answer the phone and get 4 hours pay.  If only they knew how many benefits the police have lost, like housing or a rent allowance, they tell you the police have had good pay rises in real terms, but forget to mention they have taken thousands of pounds worth of allowances away from the police.  They have treated the nurses just as badly.

Anyway, if anyone does find that Inspector who signs to authorise such claims, it's EASY, just ring your mates up on their days off so they can get some overs, then they can reciprocate - loverly jubly.

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Re: 4 Hours Pay for a phonecall
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2010, 10:49:54 PM »
Do you have a link to the story?

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Re: 4 Hours Pay for a phonecall
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2010, 09:18:58 AM »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8493107.stm

If only this were as simple as the story claims...

Oh well... if this benefit gets scrapped I guess I'll have to clean that moat around my house and buy that duck-house for my pond myself...  >:(

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Re: 4 Hours Pay for a phonecall
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2010, 05:31:09 PM »
Aghhhh!  The Home Office do my head in.  Any chance they get, they make it look like Police officers are in overpaid jobs with cushy benefits and "should consider themselves lucky compared to others".  They just try to demonise us so that we can't get support from the public when it comes to them trying to shaft us!

Can anyone really believe that your average officer gets to claim 4 hours time and a half for a phonecall ever!  Maybe a few key officers in each force, like an on call firearms Tac Ad.  But that's one Sgt in how many officers?!

If they start trying to mess with our overtime rates or pay us off for it I think the reaction they get will quite shock them!

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Re: 4 Hours Pay for a phonecall
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2010, 10:42:58 PM »
Unfortunately unless the federation try harder than they have for the last few years the Government will get away with more and more.  While recruiting is still strong they don't care.  When the recession ends and there are better jobs with much less bother and danger available, people will start leaving (other than the genuine career officers).  It's only when it's all but too late they will see what they have done.  Trouble is, they will never admit they see it, and never admit they were wrong. 

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Re: 4 Hours Pay for a phonecall
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2010, 01:20:27 AM »
It'll probably get way worse before it ever gets better again.

We've had it pretty good since the 70's - it's due to go downhill!

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Re: 4 Hours Pay for a phonecall
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2010, 01:50:10 PM »
Getting OT out my force at the moment is like getting blood out of a stone.

It's got so bad that Officers are regularly starting their shift and having to take ownership of some debacle that the shift before have got involved in. It can be very difficult for a cop to report someone to court based only on a few paper statements that have been left on their desk (assuming you can read the writing). It's only a matter of time before a serious mistake is made and the guilty walk or the innocent get locked up, simply because an officer is being asked to deal with an incident that he/she has no involvement in.

All our OT has to get authorised by an Inspector, so if you are caught up in something you need to get authorisation before you are scheduled to finish. This might sound simple, but it's not always easy to say how long you will be interviewing or babysitting a custody at hospital or noting details for that high risk missing person.

Given the nature of the job, it's not always possible to finish on time, sometimes you can't just walk away (despite sometimes wishing you could!). On the other hand, I've got two court cases during my annual leave, where I'll sit around the court, get sent home without being called, and get paid double time. Why am I complaining again?

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Re: 4 Hours Pay for a phonecall
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2010, 03:06:46 PM »
It makes you wonder why you complete 'inconvenient dates' forms - they always seem to be ignored, lucky you weren't planning a trip abroad or something.  Maybe the defence try to juggle for dates that are most inconvenient to the prosecution witnesses in the hope a witness will not turn up and they can get the case thrown out, I sometimes think it is all a game to them.  As soon as anything goes wrong it is always the fault of the police. 

When the media report things like the 4hrs pay for answering a phone they are either extremely naive or just wish to put the public against police officers, or may be a bit of both....it is not resposible honest reporting that's for sure.

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Re: 4 Hours Pay for a phonecall
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2010, 05:44:36 PM »
Too true - the edia take any chance they can to paint us in a bad light.

The CPS now have direct access to our shift system so they can see our shifts months in advance updated with leave etc in realtime - still get warned on rest days continually.

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Re: 4 Hours Pay for a phonecall
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2010, 07:41:16 PM »
It makes you wonder if management ever complain about it, it does seem to happen a lot. It does seem to be just a ploy by the defense to get to court without the witnesses sometimes.

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Re: 4 Hours Pay for a phonecall
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2010, 12:09:00 PM »
I wonder why on earth we still have to submit a schedule with dates to avoid... must be to makes doubly sure that the date we got that all important family occasion on will be the day that some case will go to court...  >:(

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Re: 4 Hours Pay for a phonecall
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2010, 01:35:32 PM »
The Daily Mail are off again today about police officers getting four hours pay to answer a telephone call.  They are saying that they are going to save money by slashing these payments made to officers!  Well I hope they don't expect to save a load of money as I have never known anyone being paid 4 hours pay to answer a telephone call.  If you are called into work on your day off (and you can be ordered to) then a minimum of fours hors pay is reasonable.  If they want to stop making such payments then it would be only right for officers to be able to refuse to return to duty or have their time off cancelled.  They can't have it both ways (although that's whatthey want)
It is a real shame about the Daily Mail, it is a great newspaper, but so obviously anti police.  They really don't balance their reporting of police matters with any reference to what actually happens, they are so biast against the police.
It is more of a shame as the vast majority of police officers have to uphold increasingly futile rules, laws and targets set by government, then get critisized when it all goes wrong.  The biggest shame is that a newspaper ike the Mail cannot be more realistic with their articles instead of putting the public against the people who strive to serve them.